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[skierdude9450]

Where's Sunshine Express at Steamboat going to be used from.

[SkiBachelor]

It's the former Tombstone Express from the Canyons, UT. A 1997 Poma HSQ.

[ski9600]

Skier, on May 4 2006, 11:52 PM, said:

DoppelmayrCTEC - 32 Lfts - 64%
Leitner-Poma - 5 Lifts - 10%
Used Lifts - 13 Lifts - 26%

I think it's interesting that DoppelmayrCTEC has so much of this years market. Over 6 times the number of new lifts versus Leitner-Poma. I really like riding our Doppelmayr (Timberline Express @ Copper), but the newer lifts are probably alot different. I'd imagine that much of this is due to pricing. Maybe they hedged the steel market or something. Any other theories on why they are grabbing the market?

[skierdude9450]

That's not fun. It doesn't have footrests. Oh well, I never use them anyway.

Getting a little , but in 1997 Canyons installed:

1 Poma 8 passenger gondola
1 Poma hsq
1 Doppelmayr hsq
1 CTEC hsq
1 CTEC fgq
1 used Yan fgt
1 used Doppelmayr platter

Why all the variety?

[SkiBachelor]

CTEC has always performed very well in the fixed grip market since its lifts are very reliable and cheap. Now that Doppelmayr and CTEC are one, it's a winning combination. I would say that Doppelmayr CTEC and Leitner-POMA both have the same market share for detachable lifts, but Doppelmayr CTEC is the clear winner for fixed grips. That's probably why Doppelmayr CTEC has so much more market share than L-P. But, Leitner-Poma could have a higher market share than what it has right now since we don't have a complete list of all the lifts its installing this summer yet.

The reason why The Canyons installed a variety of lifts by different manufacturers was because it wanted all those lifts installed for the 1997 season, but not a single lift manufacturer could fulfill that order so ASC had to use all three. 1997 was one of the biggest lift installation years and the lift manufacturers had to higher lift installation companies like Outback Construction to build the lifts since they didn't have the crew.

Craig, how many lifts did your crew build at The Canyons in 1997? I think it was either 2 or 3. All I can say is that it probably was a mad house there during this period.

[Outback]

1997 was a year to remember at the Canyons.
1 - detach quad CTEC
1 - detach quad Doppelmayr
2 - fixed grip CTEC ( one new / one shortening)
1 - fixed grip triple YAN
Might have this mixed up a bit......but we removed EIGHT lifts that summer at the Canyons for scrap.

[boardski]

Outback, on May 6 2006, 11:43 PM, said:

1997 was a year to remember at the Canyons.
1 - detach quad CTEC
1 - detach quad Doppelmayr
2 - fixed grip CTEC ( one new / one shortening)
1 - fixed grip triple YAN
Might have this mixed up a bit......but we removed EIGHT lifts that summer at the Canyons for scrap.

Which lifts were the 8 that were removed? I remembered Wolf Mountain/ Park West having only 7 lifts.

[Outback]

Removed the gondola at Park City in 97.
Removed a YAN FG at Park City in 97.
Maybe it was seven at the Canyons....I remember eight.

Where were you in 97?

This post has been edited by Outback: 07 May 2006 - 08:05 AM

[lastchair_44]

Outback, on May 7 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

Where were you in 97?

I was 14? or 15.....so probably skateboarding and getting in trouble

[Powdr]

ski9600, on May 6 2006, 06:20 PM, said:

Any other theories on why they are grabbing the market?

Perhaps it's regional. CO might not be doing as much work this year (don't know - havent checked) and UT/CA/ID/NV are putting in more. It seems that CO is firmly in the Leitner-Poma Camp, and just about the rest of the West is more CTEC oriented. Just a thought.....

Powdr

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[SkiBachelor]

Well, the carriers are still on the Tombstone Express right now at The Canyons. I would have thought the carriers would be off and be on their way to Steamboat.

[floridaskier]

SkiBachelor, on May 8 2006, 03:17 PM, said:

Well, the carriers are still on the Tombstone Express right now at The Canyons. I would have thought the carriers would be off and be on their way to Steamboat.

I would have thought so too. Tombstone is a really important lift for The Canyons, seems like they wouldn't want to waste any time. They'll finish it in time for opening though
I wonder if they're reusing the towers on Tombstone

[vons]

Steamboat, Derango MTR, Wolf Creek, Telluride, Vail, Bever Creek, Eldora, and Keystone have a few Ctec's And Doppelmayr's so I would not say it is a all poma state. In responce to an ealier post Doppelmayr Ctec's product line improve with the merger. The Uni-G while cool looking is expencive most resorts just need a reliable detachable at a good price the GS has provided this I think this might be why D-CTEC is doing so well.

[Peter]

The Poma fixed grip line seems so limited, with just the Alpha and return terminals. Doppelmayr has the Uni-Star, Sprint, Orion, Intrepid, Eclipse, and Pagasus.

[ski9600]

Skier, on May 8 2006, 09:19 PM, said:

Doppelmayr has the Uni-Star, Sprint, Orion, Intrepid, Eclipse, and Pagasus.

Excuse my ignorance, but why do they need 6 terminal designs?

[floridaskier]

ski9600, on May 11 2006, 02:35 PM, said:

Excuse my ignorance, but why do they need 6 terminal designs?

It's not really 6 completely different designs. The Uni-Star and the Sprint look like the only drive terminals on offer now. The Pegasus is basically a Sprint without the drive, and the Intrepid, Orion, and Eclipse are basically variations on the same monopod return terminal. The Intrepid is a tension return terminal, Orion is a heavy-duty fixed return, and the Eclipse is a light-duty fixed return

http://doppelmayrctec.com/fixed.html

[Peter]

At one point they had at least a dozen terminals right after the merger.

[liftmech21]

Sterling is getting under way at DV. Sorry no pics until monday atleast. But all carriers are off line, and demo team is getting everything ready to rig to drop the cwt. and then spool the haul rope. Bottom lift op. shack has also been removed. There is still a good amount of snow left up there But it supposed to be a HOT week. So we'll see I'll try and get pics for monday

John

[vons]

The six terminal design allow D-CTEC to be more refined in pricing too because expensive items like motors, gear boxes and tensioning systems can be sized differently dependent on how they are used, top fixed-bottom tension, combined bottom set, etc.. The different models also let them spec the structure closer to the loads involved you only need to overbuild so much thus the light duty and heavy duty lines. Why build a bunny lift with a terminals designed for 1000vrt. and 500hp.

[floridaskier]

liftmech21, on May 11 2006, 10:28 PM, said:

Sterling is getting under way at DV. Sorry no pics until monday atleast. But all carriers are off line, and demo team is getting everything ready to rig to drop the cwt. and then spool the haul rope. Bottom lift op. shack has also been removed. There is still a good amount of snow left up there But it supposed to be a HOT week. So we'll see I'll try and get pics for monday

John

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