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[RibStaThiok]

ahh. Late 80s Poma HSQ?

[jaytrem]

RibStaThiok, on 04 June 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

ahh. Late 80s Poma HSQ?

I'm pretty sure liftmech's baby is the American Flyer at Copper.

[RibStaThiok]

Mid-80s HSQ.. Yes.. getting old :( But still running.

[NHskier13]

He means he'd rather have this
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Instead of this (Okay, same design but not same lift lol)
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Undoubtedly would leave more walking space. I take it you cannot stand up all the way in the flyer's terminals, right?

This post has been edited by NHskier13: 06 June 2016 - 12:16 PM

[Smacpats]

NHskier13, on 06 June 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

Undoubtedly would leave more walking space. I take it you cannot stand up all the way in the flyer's terminals, right?

Found a picture off of liftblog:

[SkiDaBird]

Smacpats, on 02 June 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

I honestly am in between on this. I wonder if the terrain could handle it, whereas at the same time, look at Lone peak at Big sky. The terrain on Lone Peak is very similar.

Very few people ski Big Couloir and the Snowfield. Almost everyone goes down Liberty Bowl or Marx/Castro/Lenin. It's a lot more wide open than I remember Telluride being.

[Smacpats]

SkiDaBird, on 07 June 2016 - 02:08 AM, said:

Very few people ski Big Couloir and the Snowfield. Almost everyone goes down Liberty Bowl or Marx/Castro/Lenin. It's a lot more wide open than I remember Telluride being.

I've never been up to Palmyra, so that makes sense. The only times I've been to Telluride since the terrain opened in 08' was in 09' for a short period (3/4 days) and in 12' (4/5 days) and coming up from 700 feet above sea level, doing that hike on my third day just wouldn't work. The furthest I went up was to the run "Competition" that I didn't need to take off my skis for. (First trail over from the top of Prospect express [which is faintly visible])

This post has been edited by Smacpats: 07 June 2016 - 05:30 AM

[julestheshiba]

Liftmech said he likes the falcon terminals better than the flyers. I guess they are different some how.

[NHskier13]

I think we identify the ones used on the Flyer as falcon terminals, the ones on the lift I attached (my fave, White Peaks :-) ) are unknown. only 3 exist in the world

The bottom return is short and sleek and has a lot of wiggle room save for the center with the bullwheel, the chain contours and the usual tires on the sides. Other than that there seems to be a lot of space and most of the maintenance people can stand all the way up in there. I think it basically has the same interior design as the flyer, but I wouldn't know exactly (I don't see a need to change it particularly though, seems like it works alright) and the only difference between the two lift's returns is the cover really.

The top drive is taller on one half and shorter on the other. It's taller to house the drive, which at the time was probably a big engine. The flyer was one of two falcons in the US with a vault drive, the drive was too large to fit into that station. The other falcons had an alpha drive on the exterior as opposed to a vault. So,the main difference is that giving the flyer, say, R-EX's terminals would leave loads of room on the top side that would normally be taken up by a motor.

I have one question about compatibility though. In this picture ( don't know how old it is and if anything has changed) the bullwheel is outside of the terminal, on white peaks (and rainer of course) have the bullwheels inside. Would you need to change in a bullwheel and maybe some other things in the terminal as well?

[liftmech]

There actually isn't a compatibility issue. The terminal structure is the same on all Performance lifts (what y'all have been calling Falcon terminals) and the exterior skins fit on any of them.
I sometimes joke that I'll never get moved off the Flyer as I'm the only one short enough to stand up straight inside.

[Smacpats]

In Steamboats master plan, they plan to replace Thunderhead with a HSQ. I think this would be a perfect canidate for the Snowbowl line. They would have 600 feet of length left over (Extra capacity, could use towers to keep close to ground) and 300 vertical feet left over (no HP problems).

I thought of a genius idea last night. Could stratton install a detachable poma on the Kidderbrook line? wouldn't it work? Something exactly like Cirque at Snowmass running 750 FPM with a 300 P/h capacity (that line doesn't need much cap) and would bring skiers up Kidderbrook in nine minutes, a great improvement over the 9 you ride on the six-packs, not counting that 6 minute traverse. It would be cheaper than a chair by a good bit.

EDIT:
This would likely work, looking at LP specs page for Detach surface lift it needs to be below 6,000 feet (if they started it about 100 feet higher than the old quad's foundations, it would be 5,970 feet. It would still be accessed by every trail coming in there, just a sharp right would be needed from Churchill Downs traverse.

At the end possibly have 3 turn towers to make it go up onto the rest of the lifts (Ending about 75 feet in front of Shooting Star unload with some tree removal)
Here are pictures

This post has been edited by Smacpats: 08 June 2016 - 05:42 PM

[Smacpats]

Alright, so maybe some tree removal would be needed, but it could be done (with a few surface lift crossings). The tree removal would be to make it accessable from Churchill downs (and the top bit I talked about). (The lift would start where the group of skiers is in the first photo, and where the boarder is in the second [the boarder is on the left side and barely visible])

This post has been edited by Smacpats: 08 June 2016 - 03:19 PM

[RibStaThiok]

liftmech, on 07 June 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

There actually isn't a compatibility issue. The terminal structure is the same on all Performance lifts (what y'all have been calling Falcon terminals) and the exterior skins fit on any of them.
I sometimes joke that I'll never get moved off the Flyer as I'm the only one short enough to stand up straight inside.

Are you 100% dedicated to AF, or do you also have a few other lifts in addition?

[liftmech]

98%. I also take care of the Slingshot carpet in West Village.

[julestheshiba]

liftmech, on 07 June 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

There actually isn't a compatibility issue. The terminal structure is the same on all Performance lifts (what y'all have been calling Falcon terminals) and the exterior skins fit on any of them.
I sometimes joke that I'll never get moved off the Flyer as I'm the only one short enough to stand up straight inside.

I thought you said the interior structure was different on the Flyer compared to something like the old Siberia?

[RibStaThiok]

liftmech, on 09 June 2016 - 06:09 AM, said:

98%. I also take care of the Slingshot carpet in West Village.

Very cool. How do they spread out mechanic responsibility among the other lifts? Also- How many new lifts has Copper had installed in the past 10 years? Anything new or planned for this year or next?

[vons]

RibStaThiok, on 09 June 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

Very cool. How do they spread out mechanic responsibility among the other lifts? Also- How many new lifts has Copper had installed in the past 10 years? Anything new or planned for this year or next?

Other then magic carpets the newest lifts at Copper would be Union Creek Quad(2011), Storm king T bar (2012), Celebrity ridge platter(2012), and the short lived Air Dale platter (2013?-2015). Air Dale was replaced this summer with a high speed 1000ft long carpet that Sunkid has been plastering my FB feed with. Before UCQ the next newest ropeways installed at copper were in 1998 (B and E ).

[RibStaThiok]

Thanks. Is Blackjack still there and running?

[vons]

RibStaThiok, on 10 June 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Thanks. Is Blackjack still there and running?

yup, and I don't think there are any plans to replace it.

[NHskier13]

julestheshiba, on 09 June 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

I thought you said the interior structure was different on the Flyer compared to something like the old Siberia?

The old Siberia and the Flyer are pretty similar, I think. Siberia just had an alpha drive on the outside as opposed to the drive being housed in a vault like the Flyer / Colorado chairs
Siberia would just have the rope running through the terminal likely and maybe a slightly different way of using it [the moving rope] to power the stations' contours