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[DonaldMReif]

I think that the evacuation plan for the segment over Thaynes Canyon will be something similar to what Red Pine Gondola uses.

[RibStaThiok]

Peter, on 08 September 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

We've known for awhile Doppelmayr uses the Euro- and American-style tower heads seemingly at random. Now they are using them both on the same lift! Pictures from Quicksilver today: http://liftblog.com/...silver-gondola/

GOOOOOD! A little variety on a lift is a good thing.

[vons]

Peter, on 08 September 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

We've known for awhile Doppelmayr uses the Euro- and American-style tower heads seemingly at random. Now they are using them both on the same lift! Pictures from Quicksilver today: http://liftblog.com/...silver-gondola/

I am taking an educated guess that the choice of tower head, Euro vs North American is determined by the load being placed on the tower. The park city side is using a more European profile design with large spans and fewer towers, whereas the Canyons side uses small spans and a regular spacing of towers. If you look closely you will see that the European towers are also equipped with larger sheaves in heavier assemblies than the NA tower design towers on the canyons side. Its interesting to note that the euro style assemblies using the bigger sheaves don't use a weighted sheave either. Some mechanic is going to have fun doing line work on this bad boy.

[Peter]

vons, on 08 September 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

I am taking an educated guess that the choice of tower head, Euro vs North American is determined by the load being placed on the tower. The park city side is using a more European profile design with large spans and fewer towers, whereas the Canyons side uses small spans and a regular spacing of towers. If you look closely you will see that the European towers are also equipped with larger sheaves in heavier assemblies than the NA tower design towers on the canyons side. Its interesting to note that the euro style assemblies using the bigger sheaves don't use a weighted sheave either. Some mechanic is going to have fun doing line work on this bad boy.

Sounds plausible. I was thinking yesterday as I was walking around that the sheaves looked bigger on the Euro towers but then I thought that would be too crazy to have different sizes on the same lift. If you think about tower loads, there are actiually three lifting frame styles on Quicksilver - the skinny and thicker North American ones and the even bigger Euro ones. Also I noticed the depression towers on the PC side don't have the short/stubby Euro ones like usual.

Does anyone know where Doppelmayr is building towers these days?

Donald there won't be a Poma-bus or anything like it from what I can tell.

[DonaldMReif]

I'm probably imagining things, but I keep thinking that the Euro-style Doppelmayr towers (the towers on the PCMR side) seem to look wider than the North American-style towers (the ones on the Canyons side) in photos for some reason.

[vons]

I have seen both kinds of tower heads being fabricated in SLC, in fact most of the towers for NA are made in SLC.Last time I talked to them, the CAT reducer style drive platforms for detachable lifts and fixed grip terminals with a cat hub were also made in SLC. The detachable terminal structure and conveyor assemblies were made in St. Jerome as were the line sheave assemblies. Terminal skins came from Austria, grips came from either Austria(DT) or Italy(AGA) , and the chairs use to come from Indonesia(EJ basic style) or Austria(bubbles chairs). They may have changed things since its been a long time since I visited, I think the chair production may have moved to SLC in the last few years.

[snoloco]

Is this lift as well as the new King Con supposed to have DT or AGA grips?

[Backbowlsbilly]

I thought Powderhorn's new lift was going to be a relocated one but the pictures looked like a new system, does anybody have anything on this? Please correct me if I'm wrong, it looked like a new drive terminal with reused tower tubes and tower heads.

[Peter]

Backbowlsbilly, on 09 September 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

I thought Powderhorn's new lift was going to be a relocated one but the pictures looked like a new system, does anybody have anything on this? Please correct me if I'm wrong, it looked like a new drive terminal with reused tower tubes and tower heads.

As I understand it Leitner-Poma brought the terminals, line gear and grips back from Marble Mountain and completely refurbished them for the Powderhorn lift. Marble kept their towers and Powderhorn kept theirs, saving everybody money.

[DonaldMReif]

So, Challenger terminals on the Flyer. Will they be refurbishing Arceaux chairs or will they go for all new carriers?

[Peter]

DonaldMReif, on 09 September 2015 - 07:15 PM, said:

So, Challenger terminals on the Flyer. Will they be refurbishing Arceaux chairs or will they go for all new carriers?

I'm going to say new given most of the Marble chairs hit the ground when the rope snapped.

[DonaldMReif]

Well I can always use the Beaver Run SuperChair after its chairs were replaced last season as a reference for what the chairs will look like.

[JSteigs]

Peter, on 09 September 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

As I understand it Leitner-Poma brought the terminals, line gear and grips back from Marble Mountain and completely refurbished them for the Powderhorn lift. Marble kept their towers and Powderhorn kept theirs, saving everybody money.

Grear box, bullwheels and I believe chairs were from Squaws old Siberia, but also went back to the shop for refurbishment.

[vons]

I would have thought that chairs (Bail to seat) from the old fixed quad would just be reused since the main differences are the connection plates and rubber connection blocks needed to mate the detach style hanger arm to the bail and the balance weight under the seat both of which are easy to swap out

[RibStaThiok]

JSteigs, on 10 September 2015 - 04:50 AM, said:

Grear box, bullwheels and I believe chairs were from Squaws old Siberia, but also went back to the shop for refurbishment.

From the old 1985 HSQ?? Wow. That's impressive re-use of old equipment.

[JSteigs]

RibStaThiok, on 10 September 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

From the old 1985 HSQ?? Wow. That's impressive re-use of old equipment.

I'm not sure exactly what is going into the refurbishment, but the gear box was rebuilt a few years ago during the winter and then the following summer the bullwheel bearings were replaced, but that might all be redone for this. The service team at Poma probably had a good idea of what they were getting for parts before they made the decision.

[skier691]

Lutsen, MN
I will miss the PHB....my first gondi ride.

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[MNSkier]

Here are some more photos and the official update from Lutsen's Facebook page

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Our resident Doppelmayr workers have been making significant headway on construction of the new gondola. Footings for the top and bottom terminals are in and today they installed the first tower (pictured). The rest of the towers and top sheave assemblies and have been prepared and staged for helicopter installation next week. A completion date of mid-November is right on target!

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[floridaskier]

snoloco, on 09 September 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

Is this lift as well as the new King Con supposed to have DT or AGA grips?

Expecting both to have the DT grips - all the Doppelmayr CTEC lifts on both sides have them too

[DonaldMReif]

floridaskier, on 12 September 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

Expecting both to have the DT grips - all the Doppelmayr CTEC lifts on both sides have them too

I am not entirely sure. I compared some of Peter's photos of the new PCMR lifts with photos of some other Doppelmayrs and I'm led to think that AGA grips will be used.

Specifically, I compared this photo of Peter's that he took of the Quicksilver Gondola's Silverlode terminal:



With this photo I took two years ago of the Mountaintop Express lift at Vail: